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	<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1252</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a really nice idea — and I see that there are not a few blogs named for Culture ships now. It's interesting that something that presumably began as a bit of throwaway fun for Banks has become one of the most beloved aspects of his novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a really nice idea — and I see that there are not a few blogs named for Culture ships now. It&#8217;s interesting that something that presumably began as a bit of throwaway fun for Banks has become one of the most beloved aspects of his novels.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1248</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1248</guid>
		<description>The ship names strike me as identical to blog names - which makes some sense, since they're self-selected identifiers, intended to convey meaning about content and also to compete in an informal humour competition. The more I think about this, the more impressed I am that Banks seems to have anticipated the trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ship names strike me as identical to blog names - which makes some sense, since they&#8217;re self-selected identifiers, intended to convey meaning about content and also to compete in an informal humour competition. The more I think about this, the more impressed I am that Banks seems to have anticipated the trend.</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1237</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1237</guid>
		<description>That is, _post_ &lt;i&gt;Complicity&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is, _post_ <i>Complicity</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1235</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1235</guid>
		<description>Leinad: harsh, but maybe fair.

Glad you like the site, Gregor. In case anyone's interested, I've added my reviews of &lt;a href="http://stevenpoole.net/articles/the-dogs-breakfast/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Business&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="/articles/london-growled/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dead Air&lt;/a&gt; to the archives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leinad: harsh, but maybe fair.</p>
<p>Glad you like the site, Gregor. In case anyone&#8217;s interested, I&#8217;ve added my reviews of <a href="http://stevenpoole.net/articles/the-dogs-breakfast/" rel="nofollow">The Business</a> and <a href="/articles/london-growled/" rel="nofollow">Dead Air</a> to the archives.</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1232</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1232</guid>
		<description>Iain M. Banks writes wish-fufillment everything, in that respect his spaceships, planets and women are alike. 

And Iain Banks has been losing it since &lt;i&gt;Complicity&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain M. Banks writes wish-fufillment everything, in that respect his spaceships, planets and women are alike. </p>
<p>And Iain Banks has been losing it since <i>Complicity</i></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
		<link>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1229</guid>
		<description>I essentially stopped reading Banks after The Business- well, more accurately half-way through the Business. If only I had let it at that, but I picked up Dead Air. Is the title an allusion to White Noise? Its more like Nathan Barley. As a teenager I had almost all of his books, but as with Yellow Dog, Dead Air was one of those special books that make you want to chuck out the back catalogue. 

One thing that struck me about Banks before that was that like a lot of baby boomer men, he seems to have a fascination with female protagonists, and is completely hopeless at writing them. As with William Boyd, he seems to delight in creating selfish, spoilt (and always young) women, who would just be regarded as d-kheads if they were male. When he writes from a male viewpoint, the guys are mainly fine, but when he writes from a female viewpoint, the men are all pervy and obnoxious (or both). 

A lot of my closest friends are girls, and it seems that to people of my age group gender conflict has largely been resolved. We have not turned into androgyns, but have a lot in common. For this reason, despite the sci fi themes, I think that Iain Banks always reads as being slightly anachronistic. 

Anyway, Great Site Mr Poole!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I essentially stopped reading Banks after The Business- well, more accurately half-way through the Business. If only I had let it at that, but I picked up Dead Air. Is the title an allusion to White Noise? Its more like Nathan Barley. As a teenager I had almost all of his books, but as with Yellow Dog, Dead Air was one of those special books that make you want to chuck out the back catalogue. </p>
<p>One thing that struck me about Banks before that was that like a lot of baby boomer men, he seems to have a fascination with female protagonists, and is completely hopeless at writing them. As with William Boyd, he seems to delight in creating selfish, spoilt (and always young) women, who would just be regarded as d-kheads if they were male. When he writes from a male viewpoint, the guys are mainly fine, but when he writes from a female viewpoint, the men are all pervy and obnoxious (or both). </p>
<p>A lot of my closest friends are girls, and it seems that to people of my age group gender conflict has largely been resolved. We have not turned into androgyns, but have a lot in common. For this reason, despite the sci fi themes, I think that Iain Banks always reads as being slightly anachronistic. </p>
<p>Anyway, Great Site Mr Poole!!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1228</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The obligatory character who is a long way from the rest of the Culture and humanity through his own choosing and therefore must die&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm glad you mentioned that guy! The way he and his ship were introduced so deftly and funnily (he was a bit of a twat, but not dislikeable), and then zapped to smithereens, all within the space of a few pages, was a really brilliant set-piece of writing. And, to my taste I'm afraid, so much more economical and vivid than what happens on Sursamen.

I'd forgotten that I'd also reviewed &lt;em&gt;Dead Air&lt;/em&gt;. I really hated it. Seems I've been a bit of a stalker-critic of Banks's over the years. But only because I'm convinced that he &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; write excellent books, so am always freshly disappointed when he doesn't, quite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The obligatory character who is a long way from the rest of the Culture and humanity through his own choosing and therefore must die</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you mentioned that guy! The way he and his ship were introduced so deftly and funnily (he was a bit of a twat, but not dislikeable), and then zapped to smithereens, all within the space of a few pages, was a really brilliant set-piece of writing. And, to my taste I&#8217;m afraid, so much more economical and vivid than what happens on Sursamen.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d forgotten that I&#8217;d also reviewed <em>Dead Air</em>. I really hated it. Seems I&#8217;ve been a bit of a stalker-critic of Banks&#8217;s over the years. But only because I&#8217;m convinced that he <em>can</em> write excellent books, so am always freshly disappointed when he doesn&#8217;t, quite.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Weeden</title>
		<link>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Weeden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1227</guid>
		<description>I think it's one of Banks's first raters, and I'm surprised having read it that the reviews I read first were so lukewarm. "I think you are right to say that one of the metanarratives of Matter is a kind of structural argument that the standard fantasy plotline is parochial when viewed in a wider context..." I agree with that. Some of that may be Banks's rather idiosyncratic approach to plot. - I liked 'Matter' so much, not least because of the dialogue, that I decided to read the Banks novels I'd missed, and started with 'Dead Air' (which Steven has also reviewed). In that, there's an incident where the narrator is 'kidnapped' (his drink is laced with something, but pride in being able to sexually perform causes him to pour it away, as it happens on his producer's jacket - and this may have been the first proper clue that the narrator is a selfish wee shite - so he escapes later on. Now the producer's jacket, the reader may think - that'll go to some CSI department in the Met. But it doesn't. It gets cleaned by a 'friend' of the producers (as a way of telling us he's gay). Possible plot line meets cul-de-sac. I'm never sure if this is brilliant storytelling (a lot of things do go nowhere, life is like that) or just a lack or rewriting.

But in 'Matter' even the story arcs that aren't have character development as compensation. Ferbin, Oramen, and Choubris all grow as people, which is something. There's something of a proper story in the references to 'King Lear' and 'Hamlet' and the travel narratives. I think there are themes which aren't developed: why is tyr Loesp disloyal? Why does the Culture's meddling miss the bigger picture? Why is the artefact buried in the first place? On the other hand, it's much funnier, especially the dialogue, than I remember Banks as being. There seems to be less sadism. The obligatory character who is a long way from the rest of the Culture and humanity through his own choosing and therefore must die (we could call him the 'Max Gogarty' character after the Guardian's ill-fated gap year blogger) is dispensed with quickly and almost relevantly to the meta-plot (although what happens to the Oct ships after they get to where they're going?).

"The novel itself has a kind of liveware problem: the ship Minds are more sympathetic characters than most of the medieval-fantasy humans." I don't agree. I think that's usually the case - and may be the case here with the drone Turminder Xuss (have to check the spelling there), who may have appeared before. But I found the regent, the prince regent, the younger brother, the assassins, the doctor, the court adviser (the one person who sees what's going on), and of course, the fool figure very engaging. Yes the ship is interesting, but mostly in the human need for physical contact in Mr Quicke and in the disingenuousness of the Special Circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s one of Banks&#8217;s first raters, and I&#8217;m surprised having read it that the reviews I read first were so lukewarm. &#8220;I think you are right to say that one of the metanarratives of Matter is a kind of structural argument that the standard fantasy plotline is parochial when viewed in a wider context&#8230;&#8221; I agree with that. Some of that may be Banks&#8217;s rather idiosyncratic approach to plot. - I liked &#8216;Matter&#8217; so much, not least because of the dialogue, that I decided to read the Banks novels I&#8217;d missed, and started with &#8216;Dead Air&#8217; (which Steven has also reviewed). In that, there&#8217;s an incident where the narrator is &#8216;kidnapped&#8217; (his drink is laced with something, but pride in being able to sexually perform causes him to pour it away, as it happens on his producer&#8217;s jacket - and this may have been the first proper clue that the narrator is a selfish wee shite - so he escapes later on. Now the producer&#8217;s jacket, the reader may think - that&#8217;ll go to some CSI department in the Met. But it doesn&#8217;t. It gets cleaned by a &#8216;friend&#8217; of the producers (as a way of telling us he&#8217;s gay). Possible plot line meets cul-de-sac. I&#8217;m never sure if this is brilliant storytelling (a lot of things do go nowhere, life is like that) or just a lack or rewriting.</p>
<p>But in &#8216;Matter&#8217; even the story arcs that aren&#8217;t have character development as compensation. Ferbin, Oramen, and Choubris all grow as people, which is something. There&#8217;s something of a proper story in the references to &#8216;King Lear&#8217; and &#8216;Hamlet&#8217; and the travel narratives. I think there are themes which aren&#8217;t developed: why is tyr Loesp disloyal? Why does the Culture&#8217;s meddling miss the bigger picture? Why is the artefact buried in the first place? On the other hand, it&#8217;s much funnier, especially the dialogue, than I remember Banks as being. There seems to be less sadism. The obligatory character who is a long way from the rest of the Culture and humanity through his own choosing and therefore must die (we could call him the &#8216;Max Gogarty&#8217; character after the Guardian&#8217;s ill-fated gap year blogger) is dispensed with quickly and almost relevantly to the meta-plot (although what happens to the Oct ships after they get to where they&#8217;re going?).</p>
<p>&#8220;The novel itself has a kind of liveware problem: the ship Minds are more sympathetic characters than most of the medieval-fantasy humans.&#8221; I don&#8217;t agree. I think that&#8217;s usually the case - and may be the case here with the drone Turminder Xuss (have to check the spelling there), who may have appeared before. But I found the regent, the prince regent, the younger brother, the assassins, the doctor, the court adviser (the one person who sees what&#8217;s going on), and of course, the fool figure very engaging. Yes the ship is interesting, but mostly in the human need for physical contact in Mr Quicke and in the disingenuousness of the Special Circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I actually reviewed &lt;em&gt;Inversions&lt;/em&gt; when it came out (and was going to refer to it in the &lt;em&gt;Matter&lt;/em&gt; review, but space forbade), but I hadn't put the article up on this site. &lt;a href="/articles/doctor-who/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here it is&lt;/a&gt;. Thanks for the reminder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I actually reviewed <em>Inversions</em> when it came out (and was going to refer to it in the <em>Matter</em> review, but space forbade), but I hadn&#8217;t put the article up on this site. <a href="/articles/doctor-who/" rel="nofollow">Here it is</a>. Thanks for the reminder.</p>
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		<title>By: Erigami</title>
		<link>http://stevenpoole.net/articles/use-of-weapons/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>Erigami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at Banks' &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversions" rel="nofollow"&gt;Inversions&lt;/a&gt;. It's a similar story line, but with a few different twists (the SC operative is the core of the story, and it isn't revealed that she's an SC op, we can only surmise that from her actions). 

Banks does an interesting twist with the story telling. It's told from at least three different points of view, each with their own perspectives. It's up there with Use of Weapons as one of my favourite culture novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at Banks&#8217; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversions" rel="nofollow">Inversions</a>. It&#8217;s a similar story line, but with a few different twists (the SC operative is the core of the story, and it isn&#8217;t revealed that she&#8217;s an SC op, we can only surmise that from her actions). </p>
<p>Banks does an interesting twist with the story telling. It&#8217;s told from at least three different points of view, each with their own perspectives. It&#8217;s up there with Use of Weapons as one of my favourite culture novels.</p>
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